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More WSI In The News
Written by Chet   
Friday, 21 December 2007

Where's Hoeven[Updated X 1]

There's a fair amount of coverage of yesterday's WSI news today.  Here are some high-points:

  • Fargo Forum -- The Bottineau County Commission asks for an investigation into the use of county resources by North Dakota Workforce Safety And Insurance (WSI) Board Chairman Robert Indvik.  Patrick Springer called me yesterday to ask me about my blog post (read the original blog post by clicking here).  Here's a quot':
Bottineau County commissioners called Thursday for an independent investigator to determine whether the county road superintendent misused his county cell phone.

The unanimous vote to ask for investigation of the use of county property, which came in a special county board meeting, is yet another examination of possible illegal conduct concerning officials with ties to Workforce Safety and Insurance, the state workers’ compensation program.

The Bottineau County action came after revelations earlier this week that Bob Indvik, the Bottineau County road superintendent, appeared to have made extensive calls with his county cell phone to board members and employees of the state workers’ compensation program, which he oversees as chairman of the board.

Fargo Forum (the Bismarck Tribune has a similar story here.  Minot Daily News has a story you can read by clicking here, too.  I like the Minot Daily story.)

  • Fargo Forum -- WSI Internal Audit Manager Kay Grinsteinner is still employed at WSI after WSI Board labor representative Terry Curl blasts WSI Audit Committee Chairman Mark Gjovig for his irresponsible, unprofessional attacks on Grinsteinner.  Here's a cut:

The tension in the room boiled over after WSI staff counsel Anne Greene reported that Grinsteinner’s questions about favoritism in safety grant awards were unfounded, and Gjovig and others continued to question Grinsteinner’s motives.

Terry Curl, organized labor’s representative on the board, erupted, criticizing the way Gjovig addressed Grinsteinner.

“You’ve been so disrespectful,” he said. “She’s told you three or four times those (notes) were private.”

Fargo Forum (the Bismarck Tribune has a similar story here.)

When is the Governor going to come out from under his desk and do something about the rogue leaders of WSI's rogue board? 

I'm not holding my breath.

[Update #1:  I forgot to mention this.  Someone has told me there has been a fund established at BNC National Bank here in Bismarck (with branches around the state, I think) for Todd Flanagan, the whistleblower who was fired after reporting he had been pressured to lie to law enforcement.  I don't know Todd Flanagan, I don't think I've ever met him or talked to him on the phone, but I have heard from three different friends that he's a good guy.  It's Christmas.  This guy got unfairly and probably illegally terminated by WSI.  He's a victim of the rogue, corrupt management of a state agency.  We own that agency.  It's partly our fault that he's without a job at Christmastime this year because we've allowed our government's leaders to turn WSI into this.  If you can find it in your heart and wallet to help him out a little at Christmas time, please please stop by a BNC Bank branch and offer to make a contribution.]

Comments (39)add comment

Doug D.Riley said:

Quit Slapping Hands
For the past year we have listened to the crap that has flowed threw indviks mouth an now he's going to bubble up and play stupid-"i did'nt know"--corruption is'nt going to stop as long as they just keep slapping officials hands an saying don't do it again-also wsi is going to pick up the bill-WHY-should'nt the only call he makes to someone is to ask when an where the next board meeting is going to be--is'nt that why wsi has board members to disscuss wsi's problems an future is at the BOARD MEETING-an not to afew individuals over the phone-again the taxpayers are flipping the bill-aw well something new but notthing changes-
 
December 21, 2007, 09:27 AM
Votes: +1

Deb said:

spot on as always, Chet.
From the original blog post about Indvik's misuse of the county cell phone, under the section titled "People of Bottineau County" Chet wrote:

c. Where is Bob Indvik going to get this $10,000.00 (or whatever the amount is)? Maybe he just has that kind of dough layin' around, and that's great for him. But I wonder, "Is WSI going to write the check?" If so, it seems like a bad policy choice for WSI to be paying the expenses incurred by a WSI Board member who was (a) operating outside of WSI's governance model; and (b) possibly violating open meetings laws. And how can WSI go back to pay bills that were incurred before the current biennium? I don't think they can. So is Bottineau County just going to get stuck with thousands of dollars in Bob Indvik's personal cell phone bills from previous bienniums?


From Minot Daily news:

Indvik said that although he can provide commission minutes showing he had county backing for his WSI work, if an investigation shows that the county shouldn?t pay for the calls, WSI will reimburse the money.

?There?s no doubt about that,? he said. ?If it is WSI-related work, it could be reimbursed.?


So, you were right - he thinks that WSI will magically pay for his idiocy.

Furthermore - isn't there a huge difference between being given permission to serve on the board of WSI, which I really don't doubt that Botno Cty granted, and misusing county resources in order to serve on that board? I highly doubt that any resolution or minutes will ever be uncovered that will show the county commission said "sure - use our cars to go to meetings, use our cell phones to make thousands of dollars in calls. Heck, while you're at it, take a ream of paper here or there - we good folks up Botno want to help out another state agency!!" It's just silly. Which raises other questions:

Is Indvik just stupid? Didn't he think that using his county issued celly for WSI use was a misapplication? Or is he that arrogant to think that no one would ever figure him out?

WSI is a billion dollar company - why didn't the governing board decide to issue themselves cell phones and/or fleet vehicles for WSI business? Their lawyers seem smart enough to figure out a way to fire whistle blowers and ways to get out of all other sorts of trouble (no independent memories, etc), but they're not smart enough to figure out ways to NOT get IN to trouble?
 
December 21, 2007, 09:30 AM
Votes: +7

RLM said:

I'm still waiting
For Scates to make a comment...

He has been unusually quiet this week.

Maybe he just doesn't have anything to bring to this party
 
December 21, 2007, 09:53 AM
Votes: +3

Chet said:

Another question
If it is determined that WSI's use of county property was illegal, and if WSI is supportive of the illegal use of county property even to the point where they will pay for it, wouldn't that be an admission by WSI (the entity) that it was a co-conspirator? If so, if and when the criminal charges roll out, should WSI (the entity) be named as a co-defendant? If individuals step forward at WSI and say they have been supportive of Indvik's illegal conduct all along, shouldn't the people at WSI who express support for the illegal conduct be named as co-conspirators?
 
December 21, 2007, 10:00 AM
Votes: +8

Got to Be kidding said:

...
You have to be kidding me that WSI would even consider paying these phone bills and other charges that were run up by Indvik. How insane. I wonder, are they going to pay current and former employees for the minutes they have used on personal cell phones for work related business while being an employee of WSI? This does happen from time to time. I highly doubt it. How much more ridiculous can this thing get before someone with some authority steps in and stops it? On those phone bills also what business did Indvik have calling Blunt while he was on administrative leave? He is on leave he should not have been consulted for anything by anyone at WSI which we know is not the case but he should have been disbarred in the same fashion Mr. Long has been. First we pay Blunt and Leingang for wrong doings and now they possibly reward (if they pay these bills) an incompitent snow blow operator playing board chairman for being an idiot also. Wow. The thing I find intriguing is this is just his work issued cell phone. What kinds of information would show up if a person looked at his office phone number and if you could get his home phone information. You can't tell me that he only did this kind of stuff from his work issued cell phone.
 
December 21, 2007, 11:21 AM
Votes: +3

Rocky Racoon said:

Tongue in Cheek?
I'm thinking maybe Jim Poolman's consulting company can handle the investigation, since he is an expert on insurance regulation. Maybe Indvik can resign from the board, then get hired as a consultant to WSI, and then make some big bucks so he can pay back Botno County.
 
December 21, 2007, 02:32 PM
Votes: +0

OZ said:

Interesting turn of events
Well, well, isn't this interesting. The Williston Herald has an AP story posted to their website stating that the SAO, in consultation with the AG, will be handling the investigation into Indvik's cell phone bill and county vehicle use. Wonder if WSI will have second thoughts about paying Indvik's cell phone bill now that the SAO is involved.

I'd sure like to have been a mouse in the corner when Indvik heard that piece of news.
 
December 21, 2007, 08:58 PM
Votes: +2

sheri mcmahon said:

...
More than a decade ago, I saw the bullet proof lobby at WSI, along with the bomb threat protocol in the lobby, when I went there with my future husband because of his profound frustration with worker's comp. I had recently begun to follow ND politics and was entranced by the appearance of open government such as at state legislative hearings. WSI's lobby made my jaw drop. What, I wondered, are they afraid of?
 
December 22, 2007, 11:04 AM
Votes: +3

Doug D.Riley said:

To Sheri
I think it was printed a few years ago that wsi built the bullit proof building because they said-- they meaning wsi-- needed protection from workers that were making fraudulent injury claims--the building was opened up a few months after hireing blunt- it was the begaining of their start of really denying claims-bring in out of state mouth pieces to help in denying claims-the oir board denying claims--it was'nt long after opening the doors that the people inside the bullit proof building nolonger had a face or last name--it was the beginning of their multi-million dollar non-profit enterprize-an the end of injured worker being treated fairly--the beginning of the untouchables!!
 
December 22, 2007, 02:30 PM
Votes: +0

Jimmy cracks corn said:

The System
In my opinion, If you checked the records of everyone who has a work phone issued to them. you might find Bob Indvik isn't the only one. I bet close to 99% are in violation some way or another. I like the onward and upward approach, verses the who did what. The State and the people of the state have a lot to learn. Let the people who lost thier jobs fend for themselves like I do. Fair is fair, and fired is fired. treat them all the same and move on. The long term solution should be the topic of discussion,And not who did what. Lets see who can come up with the best Idea to solve the problem. I am not on anyones side on this and I really don't care about the past. I think it's time to shift gears from reverse to foreward.
 
December 22, 2007, 04:22 PM
Votes: -1

Truth said:

Eliminate the board, fire the WSI execs and return accountability is the solution.
People may make personal calls on a company issued cell phone, but I don't care if its a private company, what I care about is the number of calls that aren't related to Bottineau County. Why didn't Indvik reimburse the county, did he ever have the intention to? Why so many calls, why to people who were no longer on the board and why for such long periods of time. The large number of calls is what is concerning to me. The long term solution is easy in my opinion, get rid of the inept corrupt board and return WSI back to control and oversight of an elected official.

Its also the hypocricy that Indvik displays, he criticizes others for doing what he himself was doing. The bunker mentality of him and the rest of the board and their way of dealing with problems by blaming others is the problem. In my opinion, he never had any intention of reimbursing Bottineau County until he got caught. If he would of, he would have made monthly payments to the county.
 
December 22, 2007, 09:54 PM
Votes: +7

Doug D.Riley said:

You Have To Know
A lot of the blogs criticize the injured workers as being whiners or losers just trying to get a easy buck all the while we have just been trying to tell everyone just how we are being treated-just think that the way wsi has been treating the Governor-AG-BHP and their own people just imagine how they really treat the injured worker and we do'nt ever get to see their faces-i'm also for Truth's idea but it has to be from the claims manager up-i've talked to my states rep a long time ago -even back then he knew wsi was bad-this what i really do'nt understand-all these people knew about how bad wsi is an nobody did anything-the thought that goes threw my mind is that "THERE JUST INJURED WORKERS" why bother they'll soon be out of money an wo'nt be able to appeal an then they'll just go away-why not it's worked for years.For the pro-wsi people you just make me want to PUKE a bunch of gutless spineless bottom feeders--feeding off the injured and poor have a merry x-mas.
 
December 23, 2007, 12:26 AM
Votes: -2

Doug D.Riley said:

A Great Idea
What Mr. Ed Christensen wrote today(12-26-07) in the bismarck tribune under opinions an letters is a great idea-theres just a couple of problems with it--one is finding three honest people picked by the governor-an the second thing is that wsi will never go for it-wsi has no intensions of overturning any decisions of any claims for anybody period-but it's a great idea.
 
December 26, 2007, 10:21 AM
Votes: -1

Ryan Archibald said:

Conflict of Interest for Some, But Not for Others
Hey Chad, Isn't your wife the counsel for the workers comp committee for the LC? Why doesn't she ever do anything? More like isn't it a conflict of interest for you?
 
December 27, 2007, 11:26 PM
Votes: -1

Oh Boy said:

Give it up
Should we talk about your family, "Ryan"??? Been off limits 'till now.

Get ready for the 15th, man.
 
January 01, 2008, 10:32 AM
Votes: +1

Truth said:

No conflict of interest
Chet is not a legislator or a public official, so there is no conflict of interest. Ryan, why don't you pose the same question to Steve Cates about one of h is contributors to his publication. Remember Patty Armstrong is the wife of WSI comm exec Mark Armstrong, don't you see that as a confilict for the trash that Steve Cates put forth in his articles when he was trying to bad mouth former employees? Have you criticized him? Have you asked him about it? I'm willing to guess not, because it doesn't suit your cause. If its a conflict for Chet, then its a conflict for Cates as well, lets see you post that on his site.
 
January 01, 2008, 10:32 AM
Votes: +3

Doug D.Riley said:

FRESH NEW YEAR
The smell of a fresh new year an the same ol crap-Chet and everyone else i hope you had a great holiday--it seems that Chet has hit a soft spot some how an now pro-wsi folks are scratching the bottom of the barrel by attacking your family members.. that is low --the mentality of these folks just never quits---how in the H did wsi get so damn powerful with these kind of peop---oh crap never mind i just answered my on question........
 
January 01, 2008, 02:33 PM
Votes: -1

Todd Flanagan said:

Thank you
I would like to like to publicly say thank you to "Chet" for posting the article about the fund that some kind person established for me at the bank. I really appreciate the support! I would also like to thank all of you that posted comments of support here and on the Tribune, they kept my head up on some real bad days. Once again thanks to all of you who support me and believe in doing the right thing.

?All truths are easy to understand once they are discovered; the point is to discover them.? - Galileo
 
January 02, 2008, 07:32 PM
Votes: +6

S. Fred Wood said:

You are all right Todd.
You are a good mad Todd. You will come out of this on top. Take care of yourself and your family. Our prayers are with you.
 
January 02, 2008, 09:09 PM
Votes: +0

S. Fred Wood said:

Good Mad Todd.
You are a good man Todd (not a mad Todd smilies/cheesy.gif)
 
January 02, 2008, 09:11 PM
Votes: +0

Sanchez said:

He has a right to be...
S. Fred Wood...maybe you were right after all. I think that Todd has a right to be mad...maybe more than mad...let's say livid. What I am mad about is that Hoeven and our legislators have allowed this to happen. I mean...after Todd was fired Hoeven gave some weak effort to show his disapproval. WSI in its ultimate arrogance stated that they don't discuss "personnel matters." That's a bunch of *!#%&! Everyone knows that if they had a reason to fire Todd they would have said so right away to cover their backsides. They didn't have a reason (other than Todd had the stones to go up against Indvik as a whistleblower). Todd, you're a good man and I know it seems really bad right now. Just give it some time and you will come out of this vindicated. I think each of us needs to contact our legislators and express our concern over what happened to Todd. We need it corrected right away. We need to state that if it happened to Todd, it could happen to anyone of us..unless we play it safe and allow unethical/illegal act to take place on our watch.

Hang in their Todd.
 
January 03, 2008, 09:16 AM
Votes: +0

Doug D.Riley said:

What's Bad
What's bad is that we should'nt have to write too our legislators because they already know just what is happening here-they also know that by not protecting the whistleblowers in any form of business be it state or goverment run-they are condoneing the corrupt bull-sh-- thats been happening here with wsi-also by having two more audits to go in the wsi building is just a plain ass joke an buying time for wsi a chain an paddlock should be put on the doors and every piece of paper looked at-i still say a full blown criminal investigation should be the only thing going on inside wsi and around it....
 
January 03, 2008, 10:30 AM
Votes: +0

Crocodile Tears said:

Hey Todd, Look In the Mirror for Your Answers Bud
Oh please now Todd, let me cry the crocodile tears for you. You LIED about Blunt and Indvik and got caught; you are just dumb. Did you really think you could have lied so clearly about false witness tampering and political intervention and get away with it as usual? You are nothing more than an arrogant bully who finally got his due. I guess all we have to do is talk to your now TWO ex-wives about your character and your fondness for other women to know what kind of guy you are. I feel for your kids and ex-wives who now have nothing because of your pompous ways. But you, I smile for what you have finally reaped Bub. For those who do know you, you are not a man of honor or character. Why is it that your co-worker wanted his job back when you were bonked? Just more proof of the love for you Bub. I hope both Blunt and Indvik sue you personally for your angry lies. I heard that Indvik filed against you and that is in process now we can only hope Blunt follows behind. It is only a matter of time before your whole house of cards catches up with you and I will love to watch that too!!!
 
January 03, 2008, 06:16 PM
Votes: -6

Tweety Bird said:

Co-worker considered staying at WSI after Blunt fired
Mr. Crocodile Tears, you are presenting it so wrongly, but you know that don't you. The co-worker considered staying at WSI after Blunt was fired. Typical tactic of WSI. Smear them when they're gone. If the co-worker had wanted to stay because Flanagan was fired, and Flanagan is the terrible, terrible man you say he is, then why didn't Romi put on her brilliant managerial cap and ask him to stay. Your little charade kind of comes apart there, doesn't it. If you are so brave to be calling Flanagan a liar, why don't you sign your real name and then maybe it will be Flanagan suing you. Oh that's right, he probably already is. Good luck with your defense.
 
January 03, 2008, 06:37 PM
Votes: +1

Crocodile Tears said:

Read the Notes Twitty Bird
Read Crystal Reid's article that had the information regarding the co-worker wanting to stay after Todd was bonked. It clearly states that the co-worker wanted to rescind his resignation the moment Todd was bonked. Here Twitty....this is an excerpt from the article by Crystal Reid...an actual news reporter, not a decoder!!

"The file does contain several e-mails and notes by Leingang detailing instances when Flanagan was reprimanded or advised of his behavior, including an instance when he became verbally upset in the middle of a meeting and was asked to leave. He was later advised to apologize to at least nine different people.
Notes in the file also detail an occasion when Flanagan entered into a verbal altercation with another employee, Kelvin Zimmer; the two were advised to attend a "Managing Emotions Under Conflict" seminar.
Zimmer had put in his resignation sometime in late November, but asked that the resignation be reconsidered after Flanagan was fired, according to Leingang's notes in the employee file.
The file contained a note by Leingang detailing a conversation with Zimmer the day after Flanagan was fired; according to the notes, Zimmer said the reason he wanted to stay was due to "what happened yesterday."
"I'll be honest with you, from the first day (Flanagan) got here things have not been the same," Leingang quoted Zimmer in something she wrote for Flanagan's file.
Both Zimmer and Leingang decided that it would be best for Zimmer to continue with his plans to work at the Department of Transportation. Zimmer declined to comment further when contacted by the Tribune on Monday."

Now Twitty Bird where are your facts beyond the lies you learn here. Why don?t you try getting your facts somewhere besides the NorthDecoder.........next!!!!!!
 
January 03, 2008, 06:57 PM
Votes: -2

Oh Boy said:

Typical
We all know what you are and who you are, Croc.

Word is, you're going to have some raving fans in the front row on the 15th.
 
January 03, 2008, 07:09 PM
Votes: +2

Crocodile Tears said:

Is that all you got?
So instead of trying to defend your "facts" about the Todd issue, and admit you are wrong....you choose to call me Blunt? And the fans in the front row on the 15th? Let me guess....Jerry, Sebald and Ed? Great fan base folks!!

P.S. Oh Boy (Dr. Long)
For those wondering....I am not Blunt!! And I find being called Blunt.....offensive!
 
January 03, 2008, 07:17 PM
Votes: +1

Oh Boy said:

Wrong Guess
Evidently, your guess is as poor as mine (allegedly) is. You don't even have the right gender.
 
January 03, 2008, 07:20 PM
Votes: -1

Crocodile Tears said:

Gender vs Name
Ok, I agree with you.......in part. I may have the name wrong......but I feel confident about the gender. Any male that prances around in flourescent foam flippers after getting a pedicure with his lady co-workers......has issues regarding gender. Can we all agree on that one?
 
January 03, 2008, 07:28 PM
Votes: +0

Oh Boy said:

That is actually pretty funny
Not that I agree with your previous comments, but I have to give your your dues. That is actually pretty funny.

smilies/cheesy.gif
 
January 03, 2008, 07:38 PM
Votes: +0

Truth said:

Crocodile Tears is full of anger - but that happens when the truth is revealed and it can't be defended
Crocodile Tears you are so so wrong. I know the fellow employee you refer to and he wanted to stay because BLUNT got fired, not Todd. You can read things into it as you want them to be, that doesn't make it so.

If we want go get mean and nasty, lets talk about Armstrong using the WSI cellphone for non business use and almost having criminal charges filed against him, why wasn't he fired for that? What about the allegations against Mr. Director of Corporate WHATEVER and the complaints of sexual harassment and the fact that Blunt just wanted it to go away. Lets talk about Blunt and the gang going to strip clubs in New Orleans and bragging about it at work. Lets talk about Blunt and the gang bragging about how they included the cost of pitchfork fondue at Medora by the consultant as part of the registration so that WSI paid for alcohol for those who were chosen by BLUNT to BE ON THE BUS!!!!. Lets talk about Blunt allowing his buddy Spencer to use sick leave which he wasn't entitled to because he hadn't worked for 10 years just because wanted it to go away. Lets talk about Blunt doing stock trades at work during the day. Lets talk about Mark using WSI property for his campaing for county commission.
 
January 03, 2008, 08:00 PM
Votes: +8

sunshine said:

Speaking of buses
WSI News for 2008: WSI exec thrown under bus. Who will it be next? The PR guy for his screw ups with information requests? Or will he just be the fall guy when the heat is on...better watch out for those 'no independent recollection' folks.
 
January 03, 2008, 08:18 PM
Votes: +1

Albert Einsteen said:

I'd like to file a suit...
...against Crocodile tears for calling Crystal Reid a reporter.
Chet's "Decoder" resume is a bench mark for reporting about the WSI garbage. If she only had the nuts to report the story. I have more respect for Chet than any local tripe paper. Even if you disagree, be a man and admit that what he writes is necessary only because no one else will write it. But, I guess you admitting anything about being a man would put you out.
 
January 03, 2008, 08:33 PM
Votes: +3

S. Fred Wood said:

Please Sandy.
Take my advice.

Move on. For the sake of your children put this behind you as soon as possible. They are in their formative years, and the last thing you want is to have them see you as Croc (any more than they have). These are memories they will have forever. Don't let them be memories of a vindictive SOB.

PS. I'm hot for Oh Boy, don't tell me she is a he.
 
January 03, 2008, 09:20 PM
Votes: +2

sunshine said:

Croc...
Crocked isn't Blunt. He's classier than the team he left behind. smilies/wink.gif
 
January 03, 2008, 10:39 PM
Votes: -2

Thin Blue Line said:

Croc-A-Chicken
Croc we have a name for people like you - Chicksh#t I have know flanagan for 15 years and you come on here and anonymously talk trash about him and his family. I have known both his ex-wife and current wife they would both kick your ass for that crap you said if knew who you are!!! Flaney hang in there don't let the haters get ya. We will always take you back buddy
 
January 04, 2008, 08:44 AM
Votes: +3

no more golden boy said:

to croc-a-chicken
As a former female co-worker of Mr. Flanagan's I know all too well his fondness for other females. Mr. Flanagan uses his charm and wit to woo his female co-workers and if you don't fall prey to his charm, he will do what he can to make others see you as inept, especially his female superiors! As for his actions in the workplace maybe Mr. Flanagan should figure out what is appropriate behavior when it comes to working with members of the opposite sex. I feel for any females that come in contact with him in a workplace environment. I also feel for his ex-wives. If they only knew how he acted around females in the workplace they would be furious. Oh wait, maybe they already know. Maybe that's why he has two ex-wives. Wise up Flanagan, your golden boy days are over.
 
January 09, 2008, 11:23 AM
Votes: -4

JHS said:

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I too was a female co-worker of Todd and I think he was always professional and nice to people no matter what sex they are. The person who posted sounds like Romi Leingang and she hates him for telling on her. Todd really is a nice guy and anyone who knows him would agree.
 
January 09, 2008, 12:41 PM
Votes: +2

Sanchez said:

I'm sure it was an honest mistake
JHS - Don't get too mad. I'm sure that the previous comment was about Hutchings and not Todd. It's an honest mistake. smilies/grin.gif
 
January 09, 2008, 02:19 PM
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