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How To Vote On the 2012 ND Ballot Measures PDF Print E-mail
Written by Chet   

BallotM1I'm gonna see whether I can alienate some of my friends again by telling y'all how you should vote on the 2012 November ballot measures in North Dakota. Here goes:

Measure One -- Eliminates the poll tax -- Vote "Yes."  I can't think of any reasons to vote no on this one. (Click here for the measure language.)

Measure Two -- Oaths of Office for Elected Officials -- Vote "Yes."  This provision corrects an apparent flaw (or omission) in our State Constitution. You may recall this was a news story that circulated nationally about 18 months ago, suggesting North Dakota is still a territory because of the omission.  This measure would correct that omission. (Click here for the measure language.)

Measure Three -- Protecting one special interest group's "modern" practices --  Vote "No."  Imagine if car dealers asked for a constitutional amendment giving special protection to their "modern car sales practices."  Imagine if factory owners pushed a constitutional amendment giving special protection to their "modern factory practices."  Imagine if restaurant owners advocated for a constitutional amendment giving special protection to their "modern restaurant practices."  Wouldn't you be suspicious of what, exactly, they were trying to get away with?  

Maybe the car dealers are trying to get special protection for modern, smarmy, deceptive sales practices, factory owners would want to be able to pollute more and hire child labor, and restaurants would want to use more untested ingredients, with less cleanliness.

Well, Monsanto, ConAgra, Dow and the pig farmer who wants to put a huge, foul feed lot across the street from your house want a constitutional provision to prohibit any regulation (including zoning regulations) of their "agricultural technology, modern livestock production and ranching practices." Sound like a good idea?  No.  I've written about this awful proposal before and haven't changed my mind at all.  This is a horrible measure. (Click here for the measure language.)

Measure Four -- Expanding the Prohibition on Smoking in North Dakota -- Vote "Yes."  I'm okay with limiting people's right to blow smoke in my face. Smokers' "right" to smoke ends at the tip of everyone else's noses. Just my opinion. (Click here for the measure language.)

Measure Five -- Creating a New "Animal Cruelty" Crime -- Vote "Yes."   I'm not usually a guy who supports the creation of more criminal laws.  That said, North Dakota's animal cruelty laws aren't really sufficient to address the problem of animal abuse.  But here's a question for you:  How will this legislation interact with Measure Three, if both measures pass? What if, for example, "modern livestock practices" (as it's defined in the proposed constitutional amendment)  are equal to "animal cruelty" (as it's defined in this new, proposed law)? Answer: Constitutional measures trump laws. (Click here for measure language.)  

Yes, yes, no, yes, yes is how I'm voting.  You should, too, though I'd sure like to hear your opinions whether you agree or not.

[To see how you should vote in the state-wide elected office races, and why, click here.]


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Ladd said:

no on 5
I can't image why we need a felony in the animal area????? People can go to jail for a year under current law...How does making a felony here protect animals any more? This seems symbolic.....
 
October 10, 2012
Votes: +0

Mona said:

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@Ladd Maybe because animal cruelty is still so rampant? Apparently a year in jail isn't a strong enough deterrent...
 
October 11, 2012
Votes: +2

Ladd said:

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Mona - I guess I am not in the loop on the animal abuse crime wave because I have heard nothing about it....My bad...
 
October 11, 2012
Votes: +0

Purplenurple said:

Fear Mongering in #5
I see a ton of "vote no on 5" signs all over the place. These signs make it seem like passing 5 will jurt farmers and hunters. I've also heard that 5 is opposed by the State Veternary Association. This doesn't make any sense to me. I've read the proposed bill and it specifically excludes lawful activities. I think that the folks who are leading the charge in opposition of 5 are banking on the fact that most people don't read the bill drafts. Based on the amount of signs, I don't think 5 has a chance of passing.
 
October 15, 2012
Votes: +1

Chet Steadman said:

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Measure 5 is opposed by the cass county humane society as well. Do your own research into the measure, but in my opinion it is poorly written. Is gassing strays a "lawful activity?" While everyone is in favor of punishing those who abuse animals, this does not appear to be the appropriately crafted bill for that purpose.
 
October 17, 2012
Votes: +2

Paul said:

Vote No
The reason veterinarians and humane societies are against this measure is because it is only protecting dogs, cats, and horses against intentional abuse. The law won't protect these animals from malnutrition or dehydration, which are both serious and common ways in which to abuse an animal. The AVMA and Humane Societies want to protect ALL animals from ALL abuse. They are also against it because it is poorly written and will be hard to repeal or amend in the future. Make sure you think about all ways someone could abuse an animal and compare it to what the law will cover before you vote on this measure.
 
October 27, 2012
Votes: +1

nimrod's leftist cousin said:

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I like how the Forum came out against Measure 5 because it was poorly drafted and would result in tons of litigation. Then, the Forum cames out in support of Measure 3. I guess a different editor read Measure 3, and didn't realize that it was poorly drafted and would result in tons of litigation.
 
October 27, 2012
Votes: +3

Jonathan Bry said:

North Dakota and South Dakota please wake up!
48 states have laws that warrant a felony penalty for cruelty to an animal. North Dakota and South Dakota are the exception. If Mississippi and Wyoming can do this, why can't we? The measure would not apply to production agriculture, or to lawful activities of hunters and trappers, licensed veterinarians, scientific researchers, or to individuals engaged in lawful defense of life or property. So the message by the North Dakota Animal Stewards that states that hunting will be in jeopardy is mute. I am a hunter and I own a dog and a cat. People do some nasty things to dogs and cats. They can not protect themselves so we need to protect them against mean, nasty people. Some say that this measure should apply to all animals. That would never fly. As a matter of fact, I wish that this measure only applied to cats and dogs, the most common animals that live in our homes. Vote Yes on Measure #5!
 
November 01, 2012
Votes: +1

Kelli said:

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@paul
Is there another measure we can vote on that gives protection to all (or more) animals? If not, why would vets and the humane society be against it?
 
November 03, 2012
Votes: +1

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